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Mobile Opportunity: Why Web 2.0 still doesn't cut it for mobile devices @import url('http://www.blogger.com/css/blog_controls.css'); @import url('http://www.blogger.com/dyn-css/authorization.css?targetBlogID=17898384'); #navbar-iframe { display:block } skip to main | skip to sidebar Stop Flying Blind Mobile Opportunity Links Contact About Michael Mace's homepage Why Web 2.0 still doesn't cut it for mobile devices About a year ago, I wrote an article on "why Web 2.0 doesn't cut it for mobile devices." My basic argument was that because wireless web connections are intermittent and unreliable, a completely thin client architecture for applications won't work. (A thin client application is one in which the code for the app stays on a server, and all you have on your PC or mobile device is a little user interface widget. Every time you do something with the web app, your device has to talk to the server. Almost all web 2.0 apps are thin client apps.)So here I am riding the BART train out of San Francisco, after spending the day at the Web 2 Expo. I'm using a Pantech/Sprint EVDO card in my computer, which gives the rough equivalent of low-speed DSL connectivity all over the city. Even though it cuts my notebook's battery life in half, I still think it's cool as ice cream in July.Anyway, I'm having a good time working on a couple of blog posts, using the thin client Blogger interface, when the train goes through a tunnel. Guess what, no connection. Then we come out of the tunnel at a station, and my connection comes back for 30 seconds. Quick! Load that page! Then we go back into the tunnel again. And on, and on, and on.Think of it as Bloggus Interruptus.I guess I could ding Sprint for failing to extend its network to the subway tunnels, but this sort of problem is ubiquitous around the world for high-speed data networks. They have much less coverage than the voice networks, and that's changing only gradually. Even as we get more coverage, it won't be possible to depend on always having the connection when you need it.The way mobile web apps need to work is that they download the full app and a copy of your data to your device, so you can work independently. Then in the background, they should sync the data whenever you're connected. That's how RIM's e-mail works, and it's still the state of the art for giving you the illusion of always-on wireless connectivity even though there's no such thing in the real world. Posted by Michael Mace at 6:48 PM Permalink. 4 comments. Click here to read post with comments. Labels: blackberry, mobile, mobile data, RIM, web, web apps 4 comments: Alexander Marktl said... Even on the PC we have this Online/Offline trend with things like Apollo or Dekoh going on.Some applications just cannot be done efficiently within the Browser. That's true for PCs and of course even more for mobile Devices... Wednesday, April 18, 2007 3:30:00 AM Steve Hawker said... Ahhh, this isn't so much a problem with Web 2.0 (or thin versus thick clients if you prefer) as it is with the lack of coverage that carriers/WISPs provide. Even if you had the full app you still couldn't post your blog if you were out of coverage. What I'd like to know is why BART doesn't provide some form of connectivity in-train. Surely it would attract a few more would-be travellers away from their cars if they were guaranteed to be able to get stuff done. (maybe BART does... I've only been on it once...) Thursday, April 26, 2007 12:12:00 PM Michael Mace said... Steve wrote:>>What I'd like to know is why BART doesn't provide some form of connectivity in-train.Steve, they didn't even have voice coverage until the end of 2005. There has been talk of adding WiFi, but I think we may have a bit of a wait.Maybe if SF ever accepts Google's offer to unwire the city, they'll do the subway as well... Thursday, May 03, 2007 8:32:00 PM dargue said... Totally agree with the online/offline point you make. At a simpler level, Yahoo! Go v1.0 did well-integrated background sync for email and PIM on my N75. Since the so-called upgrade to v2.0 this has all gone and my use of Yahoo mail on my mobile has dropped from few times per day to maybe once a week. Thursday, September 06, 2007 2:39:00 AM Post a Comment Newer Post Older Post Home Subscribe to: Post Comments (Atom) About This Blog The walls between the web, wireless, entertainment, and computer industries are coming down. This weblog explores the opportunities that result. I post about one article a week. 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